Perhaps upcoming certain cause for the lengthened generations all of a sudden searching for the the newest heraldry can come so you’re able to white

I do believe Tim is publish the new goes through of your own photo so you can his site, and certainly will article that relationship to the fresh newsgroup.

Re: Wingfield Applications-of-Fingers

contacts of people, (new Wingfields had been researched rather well, and you can despite my personal typo to your Howard loved ones, I actually do feel the pedigree accurately annotated here in RI) >>

I don’t know this can be an accurate report. Do their guide address the age group *prior* so you’re able to John Russell just who elizabeth the mother and father out-of Age Russell just who m Sir Robert Wingfield ?

Re: ? Comyn spouse from Malise

I’ve another to help you complete some of the holes you tell you forthe higher-grand-parents regarding Reginald le Cheyne. Among the many primaryadditions comes from their paternal granny (NN on your own post) havingbeen Mary de- Moravia (als de- Moray), sister and you will coheiress out-of Freskinde Moravia of Duffus (their particular moms and dads Walter de- Moravia and you can Euphemia ofRoss appear less than). You’ve got the matter about their maternalgrandmother: We hold she was Joanna de- Menteith, second wife out-of Malise,Earl off Strathearn. This will at least provide an almost explanationfor Joanna’s child Helen from Strathearn (wife successively ofReginald le Cheyne, the father, as well as Sir David de Graham) beingnamed having Helen de- Menteith, aunt off Joanna and you can spouse from Sir ColinCampbell of Lochow (d. bef May 1343).

Regrettably, I think discover extra holes in the Muriel Keith’sancestry (see lower than). As to possibly enhancements advised to your tablesbelow, please suggest of every noted disputes, otherwise exactly what documentationmight suggest any error detailed.

I have holes both in ancestries, however, fiercely in this from Reginald.Getting Muriel Keith, their particular great-grandparents I show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton

I’m not conscious of any papers giving support to the character in the mate while the Barbara Seton. For those who have noted people, excite suggest fru Argentinian.

step three Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander from /Fraser/ Chamberlain of Scotland d 3 Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/

Sir Alexander Fraser hitched Mary Bruce (otherwise de- Brus), together with an excellent young man John recognized as ‘nepos’ out of Robert _the_Bruce. This young buck is actually a younger John, however, and never his heir. John Fraser, later lord out of Aboyne, are new son from an initial relationships (which wife unfamiliar; I have so it with the expert out of Andrew MacEwen).

step three Walter de- Moravia (young buck of Hugh de- Moravia, and you will Annabela from Fife) cuatro Euphemia of Ross (dau. of Fearchar, initially Earl out-of Ross and you may NN deBrus)

5 Malise, 6th Earl off /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN maybe Comyn d aft 13097 Sir John de- Menteith (young man of Walter Stewart, Elizabeth of Menteith and

The newest consanguinity ranging from Muriel Keith and you can Reginald ce Cheyne -known to was in fact a beneficial-grandson out-of Malise, Earl regarding Strathearn (d.1312) – is the just proof (in the event that secondary) these a couple individualshad at least one predecessor/ancestress in accordance.

I have holes in both ancestries, however, fiercely in that off Reginald.To have Muriel Keith, their particular great-grand-parents I show1 William de Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton3 Alexander de- Synton4 NN5 Alexander off /Fraser/ Chamberlain out of Scotland d step three Aug 13326 Mary de- Brus, Baroness /Fraser/seven NN Fraser8 NN

To have Reginald le Cheney it is sparse1 NN Cheney , dos NN, 3 NN, cuatro NN5 Malise, 6th Earl from /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN maybe Comyn d aft 13097 and 8 NN

Re: Agnes Beler

Woodford, very early 15the century, in the Leicestershire. E are this new d Villiers and you will Agnes Beler. Today, I want to link Agnes to help you Sir Roger Beler, slain by Eustace de Folville, but I can not come across any information regarding their unique. Is individuals assist?